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Elegant shape and details, great wood. Not bad at all for a Swede!

Just pulling your leg; it is outstanding as usual. I'm a big fan of your work. Nyyyydelig!

By the way, not sure I'll make it to "Nordic Acoustic Guitar Festival" this summer, are you going?

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[QUOTE]The little thingy on the fingerboard is a R for my last name.[/QUOTE]

    It's tastefully done, I just couldn't make it out in the photos. Now that I see your label brand then it's obvious.

[QUOTE]It was a lot of work with the mitres though... [/QUOTE]

It looks like it! I've seen something like this done before, but it wasn't bound. It's a nice touch!

Good Work!

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Lars,

Bra gjort! Vad Jag som bast ar det av tillverkande purfling linjer ett huvudsaklig del av konstruktion, du gor inte ens tanker om bredd av Rosentra. Allting kommer tillsammans mycket bra. Verkligen fin Italienska gran fin, var fick du det?

Forlat min fattig svenska, Jag ar Amerikansk som ar 3/4 Norska och 1/4 Svenska men bara veta sprak av laser dagbladet (i Norska och Svenska), eller Morgunbla?i? (i Islandsk).

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Lars,

Well done! What I like best is that by making the purfling lines a main part of the design, you do not even think about the width of the Rosewood. Everything comes together very well. Really nice Italian spruce, where did you get it?

Forgive my poor Swedish, I am American who is 3/4 Norwegian and 1/4 Swedish but only know the language by reading the dagbladet (in Norwegian and Swedish), or the Morgunbla?i? (in Icelandic).

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Absolutely love it! And the headstock design looks awfully familiar...(as in, mine's almost identical ;-)


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[QUOTE]Bra gjort! Vad Jag som bast ar det av tillverkande purfling linjer ett huvudsaklig del av konstruktion,[/QUOTE]

Man! I think we need a spell checker! I didn't understand a word of that!!

Oh!! I see it's Norwegian!!!

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Close, but no cigar; it's Swedish!

I'm impressed Shawn, and you read Icelandic as well, wow! They say it is close to what our language sounded like before the middle ages, but I really can't remember any of it...

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[QUOTE=Arnt the Funny Guy]our language sounded like before the middle ages, but I really can't remember any of it...[/QUOTE]
Yea! I would guess if your that old!


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Shawn, i just want to say how i appreciate the extent of your great culture my friend! It's always interesting to know more about you and the many facets of all the talents " que vous nous devoilez "!

For who are not French Canadian :

that you unveil to us

I did understand a bit of icelandic at a certain time, especially when you wrote the words "purfling linjer"

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Eh Serge, that was the Swedish part... But that means YOU understand Swedish too?!!! Double WOW!

Hey, how many of you guys speak one of the Scandinavian languages anyways? This is very promising, I suggest we make Norwegian the OLFL (Official Luthiers Forum Language), and lets all go metric while we're at it!

YES, YES!!!


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Arnt, i wish i knew more of your language i would understand what you guys write to each other , i'd also love to go visit the scandinavian lands one day.

To speak many languages is to be rich, culturally of course!


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I saw a program on the Science Channel recently that profiled a British savant that could crunch incrediblely large numbers in his head. He also claimed he could learn any language in one week. The producers of the program decided to test him. They took him to Iceland and got him a native tutor for one week. They prefaced this by saying that Icelandic is one of the most difficult languages in the world for a non-native to learn; especially in conversation, because its pronunciation is exceptionally tricky. Well, after the week was over they put their subject on a TV interview show in Iceland...and with only occasional brief pauses to think, he nailed it! The Icelanders were impressed, to say the least. There's still much to be learned about the human brain, eh?


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    Norwegian isn't much better! My Grandmother used to speak it at family get togethers with her brother. I'm pretty good with languages and accents especially but this was a whole different animal.

    I think one has to stick all his fingers in his mouth or something to get those kind of sounds to come out!
Scandinavian languages are tough!!

If we had to speak Norwegian, it would get real quiet around here, quick!!!      Billy T38866.6198726852

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Hehe... Shawn, I have said it before, im amazed that you keep you langue-roots living... do you ever get to talk norwegian or swedish?
(Secret message ---> Granlocket har jag kopt av dom trevliga pojkarna och flickorna pa LMI)

Arnt, I wont make it to the festival either as I'll be working at Dana Bourgeois shop between june and october, as a part of my training. Last years festival was great, and I certainly hope that this can be an annual scandinavian acoustic guitar event.. By the way, the pics ive seen of your work isnt too bad either... for a norwegian guy that is. Id love to see you guitars for real someday!

Im in for the voting, I speak norwegian weel enough to vote for it as the OLFL.

Hade kjampegoj!

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[QUOTE]By the way, the pics ive seen of your work isnt too bad either... for a norwegian guy that is.[/QUOTE]

Arnt: Looks like another Swede needs humbling!!! You want to go first?

Secret Message: "The spruce top I bought from the friendly boys and girls at LMI!

What does that mean?

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well... its kind of a sick tradition we have over here, swedes and norwegians must always pick on eachother and tell bad jokes about eachother. Dont ask me why.. but its fun!

Wow Billy, do you speak swedish too? This is starting to get scary.. The secret meaasge was just an answer to Shawns question, and I thought it could be fun to get some more swedish into this place .

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[QUOTE]Wow Billy, do you speak swedish too?[/QUOTE]

    Not that I would admit too!

    Actually, an online translator. I know a little Spanish and a few words of German, Japanese and French.

    I just checked what you said because of sneaky Swedes trying to pull fast ones!
(Sorry Arnt! Couldn't wait)

    Actually, a few guys were trying to tell me my family decendent name is Swedish, but they lived in Norway! So whatever I am?

     I am amazed at how many Eurpies can speak great English, and they always appologize for their lack of ability too. I thought Arnt was American(still think he is)! The only Europeans that I have found that don't speak English well, are the Brit's!

BTW! Do all Scandinavians build great guitars? Arnt's are awesome, your's are really good(4 a Swede )? What's up with that?Billy T38867.2161111111

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I have always considered USA Americans arrogant about respecting and using and learning other languages. At one time, I had studied German for six years and about one year of Russian.Can't use either now. Anyway, I have great respect for people who are multi-lingual.No one here should ever apologize for their usage of English when it is their second,third, etc. language. OK, no more preaching from me.MT


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[QUOTE=Lars Rasmussen] Arnt, I wont make it to the festival either as I'll be working at Dana Bourgeois shop between june and october, as a part of my training. [/QUOTE]

Poor guy! Seriuosly, that sounds like a great opportunity, I bet you'll learn a ton. Have fun!

[QUOTE=Billy T] I just checked what you said because of sneaky Swedes trying to pull fast ones!
(Sorry Arnt! Couldn't wait)[/QUOTE]

Thanks for holding the fort, Billy!

[QUOTE=Billy T] Actually, a few guys were trying to tell me my family decendent name is Swedish, but they lived in Norway! So whatever I am?
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Funny you should mention that, because Lars' last name actually sounds more Norwegian than Swedish (that's why I'm going so easy on him ). The 'sen names (like Rasmussen) are usually Norwegian, the 'son names are usually Swedish.

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[QUOTE]I have always considered USA Americans arrogant about respecting and using and learning other languages.[/QUOTE]

    I think it has more to do with geographics. I live less than 200 kilometers from Mexico, and used to speak Spanish reasonably well. If the USSA was right in the middle of Europe we would probably speak all kinds of languages. It's tough because, Russian i.e., who are you going to speak too?

    I've found, that Americans and French are quite similar, though you wouldn't think so. That's even considering that most Americans are of German, Irish and Scandinavian descent, in that order.

    Oddly, the British come way down on the list! The British are the ones we have the closest ties, though we don't think much like them at all, it's odd!

[QUOTE]The 'sen names (like Rasmussen) are usually Norwegian,[/QUOTE]
Think about it Lars! You may be more Norwegian than myself! Ha!

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Actually, my last name is danish... confusing? Danish/norwegian/swedish are very similar languages, usually we dont have much trouble understanding eachother. And our english abilities comes partly from that every kid have classes in english for about 12 years, + we are very influenced by american culture - with music, tv-shows etc. And of course the OLF force me to use it


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"A thousand Swedes ran through the weeds, chased by one Norwegian"

Actually because I am 3/4ths Norwegian and 1/4 Swedish, I can poke fun at either side.

I am keeper of my family's genealogy and have traced back my family to ~1230 AD. Most Americans when they try to trace their roots back to Europe usually come to a dead end to times when disease like the plague killed whole towns.

In my case I was fortunate in that I had an ancestor that was a late Viking era town chieftain who was sent as part of a council of leaders to meet the Romans who were settling parts of Europe. Because it was a historic event his name and family tree were listed in history books so I was able to trace back further than others. Most of my family was from the Trondheim area (Selbu, Stjordalshalsen, Rissa).

I enjoy telling my children that with my Norwegian background I am more Norwegian than the King as he is Danish.

The Swedish part of my family is from my fathers father who was from Malmo but moved to the Trondheim area to work.

I grew up as the oldest of the grandchild on all sides of my family and grew up speaking Norwegian and Swedish with my Grandparents.

My mothers family were ministers who moved to the US to then help bring other Norwegian seminary students to America as all of the Norwegian churches within a generation were becoming English speaking american and they didnt have any young people who still spoke Norwegian who wanted to be pastors so my grandfather recruited them from Norway. In 50 years he had sponsored over 600 ministers from Norway to become pastors of Norwegian churches in the US.

My Fathers family came over from Norway to be fisherman on the Great Lakes in the Illinois/Michigan/Wisconsin area.

My parents being those Norwegian young people that wanted to be cool and American refused to speak Norwegian or Swedish around the house. Because I was the oldest and spoke to my Grandparents, my 3 brothers and my sister who were younger never spoke Norwegian as my grandparents were old or dead by then. My mother says that she raised 5 children but only one Norwegian.

I come from a musical family so growing up I would be able to sing, pick up and play any instrument that was in front of me. I collect instruments of all types and try to play each of them a least a little every week.

My wife is also musical (as are our 3 children) which is good because in our home we have around 160 different instruments of all types including a large pipe organ that was salvage from destruction when a church was being torn down that is waiting for a room to be built to hold it. Some day I will build a music room on our house to hold all of the instruments and have a good acoustic space for concerts and the built-in pipe organ.

I speak only a little Norwegian and Swedish as conversation is the only way to keep that up but read fluently and write okay. I originally learned Icelandic to read the Viking sagas. Today the only way I keep my Norwegian, Swedish and Icelandic fresh is by reading on the internet and posting to Scandinavian forums.

When I was studying in a conservatory my major was music composition and opera. For the opera major a requirement is that you have to learn all of the languages that you would sing so that is how I picked up different languages.

By the way, my last name is not really Carlson...when my parents and Grandparents came to the US, a common practice in immigration is that if your name were too complicated to write or pronounce, the border agents would tell you, your name is Smith or whatever.

My grandfathers name was Kristoffersen to which the immigration agent told him, you are now Mr. Carlson (!!!) and it has stayed that way since. My first name was to be Soren after the Danish philosopher Kierkegaard but my parents thought that a good american name would be Shawn.


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[QUOTE=Shawn]My grandfathers name was Kristoffersen to which the immigration agent told him, you are now Mr. Carlson[/QUOTE]
The dumbing of America began earlier than most people think (if they can think at all). Yeah, Kristoffersen is just way too hard to pronounce!


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    It was a "Big No No" to speak Norske in my great-grandfathers house! My grandmother, even to the last family get together, would speak in a very very soft voice.

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This discussion has certainly wandered pretty far from it's original topic! I hope the rest of the forum don't mind too much if we continue to chat about these matters even if they are not necessarily instrument building related, it is a topic dear to my heart!

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I am keeper of my family's genealogy and have traced back my family to ~1230 AD. Most Americans when they try to trace their roots back to Europe usually come to a dead end to times when disease like the plague killed whole towns.

In my case I was fortunate in that I had an ancestor that was a late Viking era town chieftain who was sent as part of a council of leaders to meet the Romans who were settling parts of Europe. Because it was a historic event his name and family tree were listed in history books so I was able to trace back further than others. Most of my family was from the Trondheim area (Selbu, Stjordalshalsen, Rissa).
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Shawn, fascinating story!

I think it is amazing that we have ancestors from pretty much the same area. My father has been researching our family's history for more than 30 years; he has studied every church journal, emigrant registry, old newspapers, local and general history books, you name it, that he could lay his hands on that could shed light on the lives of our ancestors and their fates. He has travelled far and wide including trips to Salt Lake City and studies of the Mormon family journals and other places in the US, as several members of our family went there. As a member of the "Sons of Norway" he was in charge of erecting a monument that commemorates the emigrants from Selbu, the area you say some of your folks came from. Quite a coincident!

We cannot trace our roots as far back as you, but we have good records of pretty much every member of our family on both my mother's and father's side back to 1600 or so. No chieftains or too many heroes, but lots of farmers and a soldier or two. Almost all of them lived in the Orkdal area, a valley near Trondheim that is about 60 kms long. I named my son after Rasmus "bjornedreper" ("bear killer"), who at the tender age 13 in 1650 or so crawled into the what was later named the "5 bear cave" (because he was the only one small enough to get in), awoke the bears in there and got out just ahead of them to where his father and grandfather (also named Rasmus) waited, then killed all 5 bears with their long spears. "I got awfully bloody that day", Rasmus the younger would say later. Top that! Even if it is not true it is a pretty good story, don't you think?

Anyways, the reason we can't trace our ancestors back to earlier than about 1600 is that no accurate written records in our area go back any further. Remember that the black plague in 1349 killed more than half the population, more than that in the bigger towns and wiped out the centres of power and knowledge and we soon fell under Danish administration. The Norwegian mini empire containing parts of Sweden, Iceland, the Faeroe islands disintegrated. We became peasants and servants to the Danes, then to the Swedes during the "400 year night". We got our own constitution on May 17th. 1814, Denmark lost Norway to Sweden because of the Napolenic wars and we finally got indepenent in 1905. These are some of the reasons for the rivalry among the Scandinavians and the jokes we tell! During the "400 year night" people were largely illiterate, and the only records that survive through the period are the church journals. Facts about births, marriages and deaths and so on don't show up until after that. Any family data from that period should be taken with a grain of salt unless they pertain royalty or other extraordinary individuals or are recorded in other countries.
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Shawn and Arnt, 2 great stories i have to say!!!

Thanks for sharing them with us and please Arnt, Shawn or Lars, keep on writing, it's just fascinating!

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